Micro Dermal Anchors

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Wednesday September 3rd, 2008 @ 7:47 AM

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I am a body piercer in VA, and I recently ordered the micro dermal anchors and I was wondering if anyone out there had any advice to give me about the proper way to make the insicion and the placement. Basically just any advice out there anyone can give me! Or maybe a website that shows all the proper steps.

Thanks,

Kate

Just curious Kate….Why did you order jewelry for a procedure you have no comprehension on how to go about doing? You should NEVER just go ahead and purchase jewelry for a piercing procedure, before understanding how the procedure is done.

You’re going the route of: C - A - B in sequence of events, not: A - B - C.

I will not, and I assume nor will any other AskBME staff member, give you a run down step by step play on how to insert microdermals, for public viewing online. That is realistically quite a huge “sticky mess” as we would then be endorsing certain techniques over others, as well as potentially exposing techniques/methods of insertion onto the general public. Which could lead to very dangerous complications.

Kate your BEST bet is to locate a fellow piercer who is experienced in this procedure, and is willing to perhaps show you how it’s done. Sometimes this is hard though because some piercers are not wanting to let their “competition” get a leg up, where as other piercers (such as myself) would rather us all be up to date on the same knowledge base and understanding of how procedure are to be done. But that unfortunately just displays the immense contrast that is currently involved with piercers.

Another option is to look into any potential “seminars” that are being offered and take those “seminars”. That way you can get some concept of how things are done, before you jump the gun again and purchase jewelry before knowing how to put them in.

You know…You could also join the IAM Community of BMEZine, get yourself set up as a Verified Professional, join the VARIETY of professional forums that in the IAM Community…and presto chances are you’ll be able to get some help on that front easily…I’d suggest looking into the IAM Learning Forum, as its my favourite…But of course I’m biased since I started the forum ages ago, and just recently passed it over to someone else

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Where in VA are you?

Sean Philips on September 3rd, 2008 at 4:58 pm

kate. you are a scary, scary woman.

fireship on September 3rd, 2008 at 10:52 pm

From a customer’s standpoint, that is an absolutely horrifying letter. I would NEVER go to a piercer who learned to do normal piercings on line, much less something as major as microdermals. I mean, you’re putting metal implants under someone’s skin, for crying out loud. Doesn’t that seem like something you should learn/watch in person before trying it? Seriously, stuff like this ticks me off, even though I’m not a piercer. It’s irresponsible people like you that give the entire body mod community such a bad name.

Alter Reality on September 4th, 2008 at 11:15 pm

It could be possible that she’s bought them with the intention of using them to learn how to do it (and not necessarily on a customer, she may be practicing on herself.) Just sayin.

Sassie_L on September 22nd, 2008 at 12:17 am

Sassie: Still before a piercer buys jewelry, like Microdermals, they should at least observe or figure out how the procedure works theory wise before buying them.

Warren Hiller on October 3rd, 2008 at 7:18 pm

I guess it has to start somewhere, but internet learning is not a good way to start out with. LEarn from another piercers, go to a seminar, internet is a good way to LEARN MORE, NOT START TO LEARN

zodiac on November 3rd, 2008 at 11:49 am

I guess it has to start somewhere, but internet learning is not a good way to start out with. LEarn from another piercers, go to a seminar, internet is a good way to LEARN MORE, NOT START TO LEARN to do something as permanent like dermal anchor

zodiac on November 3rd, 2008 at 11:49 am

Hey, it’s better to ask than not ask. Kate probably has the gist of it and is just asking for any tips that make the procedure a little easier. Like whether to use a dermal punch or needle for example.
If she’s a professional piercer then she must know about surface piercings and tools, she’s not just any mad woman asking for internet tuition on anchors.

hattioats on January 5th, 2009 at 2:20 pm

hattioats: read what the original poster wrote, very carefully and closely. Look at the keywords. They know nothing about the procedure and want step by step to be shown how to do it. AskBME.com is NOT a place for that.

Warren Hiller on January 6th, 2009 at 12:55 pm

its really bad that you ordered jewlery you dont know how to insert. im not gonna say exactly how to it because i dont want anybody trying it themselves. but you do need a punch instead of a needle. and dont PUSH straight down when using the punch. that shit hurts

shawn on January 26th, 2009 at 5:57 pm

actually Shawn you don’t need a biopsy punch. That is just the most commonly pushed technique. Personally I prefer and had great results using a needle.

Warren Hiller on January 27th, 2009 at 9:25 pm

When I got my dermal anchors, the guy I went to used a needle and I got my last one done at a different establishment, and she used a punch, and it seems you get better results with a needle, they seem to be in there better (lol) so personally I reccomend using a needle. But you should NEVER do such an extreme modification as dermal anchors yourself. ever. Its sooo risky

Derek on February 5th, 2009 at 6:44 pm

I think everyone should jus give her a break.. Telling her she was dumb for buying the jewelry beforehand over and over and over, isn’t gonna solve anything. Why don’t you guys, instead of harping on her, point her in the right direction.
Anyways, buying the jewelry before knowing how to insert it, is like buying a gun before knowing how to shoot it. It does no harm having it, nor does it make you dumber for getting it. By already having the jewelry shows that she’s commited to learn how to do it. Example:
Last year I bought a stretching kit for my lobes that started at a half inch and went all the way to one inch. When I got it, I didn’t shove the inchers in immediately. I jus had them because I was committed to stretch to that size.
To me, buying the jewelry beforehand should be the first step. I give her kudos for being committed to learn such an awesome procedure.

zaquertisss on March 19th, 2009 at 10:43 pm

No she should not get a break, its people like that who destroy our industry. SHe is going to learn from the internet, or try to, then she is going to start doing them for dirt cheap. Of course the customers who know better will go to the right place, but the people who know nothing about the industry ( a huge percentage of clients ) see price as their deciding factor too much. So she is going to fuck up a lot of people, which makes it harder for real artists and piercers to do their jobs without all the extra bs to deal with. If it werent for the hacks like her in tattooing and piercing the industry would be very different, with better job security and less paperwork for events. Its because of retards like this that we have to file for permits to work conventions in other states, and be looked down on from local governments when we want to open a new shop. Maybe if we had a national liscence requirement with professional testing criteria we could weed out these hacks and get things working in the right direction. until then there will always be posts like this on websites everywhere. the thing that gets me is Va is one of the states that DO require a license for tattooing and piercing, how did this bitch get a license since she obviously doesnt have a professional bone in her body. No respectful professional wether it be a piercer or tattoo artist is going to learn shit off the internet. I myself am interested in the microdermals but common sense tells me that if you have not been trained on it, dont just jump in and do it. anyone that is defending her in this post to me would either have to be a non-professional (customers) or a hack themselves.

Sean Crosson on April 5th, 2009 at 2:33 pm

I agree totally with you that it should be a nationally licensed industry! perhaps if that were so it would be not only easier to locate well-trained artists, but also educational opportunities as well! Myself, I am looking for a good place to learn involved piercings and scarification from, but keep encountering tat shops whose artists “side-line” in navel piercings. This is beyond frustrating to me!

manda on April 9th, 2009 at 1:29 pm

Wow, a fellow piercer asked for help and she was thoroughly trashed by a few of you. Hack? Bitch? Come on Crosson, is that a professional response? I understand why Warren declined to give a step-by-step approach, as this BME forum isn’t the place for that. What you new kids have to realize is that those of us that teach the newbies didn’t have anybody but each other to rely on for advice and feedback for new techniques. We also didn’t have the internet as we know it now. Sixteen or seventeen years ago we shared techniques on BBSes or over the phone, or figured it out ourselves. Who was going to teach us? If it weren’t for those of us willing to jump in and figure it out you wouldn’t have a profession now. When another piercer asks for help, give it freely, because your knowledge, whether given to you in an aprenticeship or earned through the years can only help to further the best interests of the profession.

Lonn on April 12th, 2009 at 2:43 am

For the record, this is my first time ever posting, but I think it is overdue and needs to be said. I get a kick out of this. First off, me and my boyfriend own one of the ONLY professional and educated studios in upstate NY. We all know this industry is filled with unprofessional individuals, and hacks. Every one of those people hate reputable shops. Whether it be envy or jealously. Here is the deal. Me and my boyfriend have been in the industry for the last 8 years. (Not to say others posting here haven’t been in it longer) but to be honest years do not matter. It is about your desire to learn and perfect the trade, not how long you have been doing it. There are many individuals who have been tattooing or piercing for the last 20 years, but they do not love it, or desire to do it, it is a means of making money to them. Anyways, my point is, I had been piercing for years before finding out about microdermals. When I wanted to begin to do them NOBODY was doing them. In addition, I was not going to march myself to a locally competing shop and ask a bunch of idiots, who didn’t even know half of what I did, “how to do it.” No one taught me shit. There were no videos, no seminars, no nothing. There was however the internet. I read and researched and looked up as much information I could. Earlier jewelry options, current jewelry options, punch vs. needle, EVERYTHING I could find. I spent hours discussing it with my boyfrind. Arguing with him about what method is better and which way to insert it, which clamps to use blah blah. Here is my conclusion. If you want to teach yourself something new, FIRST you must use as much of your prior knowledge of Body modification as possible. SECOND you need to understand and determine, using your history and knowledge of the trade and also any research you have done, what you feel the best method for the procedure is. THIRD screw what everyone else says buy the damn jewelry so you can see it, feel it, take it apart and study it. You won’t learn shit looking at pictures of them online! FORTH conduct a “controlled procedure” keep track of everything you did, all the variables. (not going into detail) FIFTH make educated decisions based on your outcome. SIXTH change any variables that presented issues or could be improved or changed to better the outcome.

I researched dermals in various ways for over 2 years before attempting one. By no means am I encouraging just anyone to go online and then start practicing. What I am saying is, if you want to know about something, do not bother asking anyone. No one gives a shit, and they definitely are not going to give away precious information. If you want something bad enough, you will figure out everything you can about it. I would also like to state that anybody who is negative and mean to the individuals who ARE professional and are looking to better themselves in this trade, are not on major dickheads but are flat out arrogant. I do not condone handing out info, but I definitely don’t support people just being flat out MEAN! If you don’t want to give someone info keep your mouth shut! It is really very simple. Didn’t your parents ever teach you “If you don;t have anything nice to say, don’t say anything at all.” I hope this Industry begins to grow up at some point because all of you who think you are professionals, are definitely NOT acting like them. Remember, professionalism is is not just how well you pierce. It is a lot of things, including your attitude.

Sean Crosson-

I do agree with a selective few comments of yours, but, If you would like a copy of a business license, or photos of our establishment or even a portfolio of recent work you just let me know. Because I wouldn’t want you thinking everyone out there with a voice is a customer or hack. Thanks!

Alyce on May 31st, 2009 at 1:21 am

I do agree that we should share information with eachother. I have no problem helping another artist out or giving them tips. The point I was making is that the original poster was asking for someone to show them a website that gives you the proper way to do the anchors. ANYONE who feels that constitues this person as being a professional is seriously mistaken. Any real PROFESSIONAL in our industry should know exactly where to find the information on dermals, if not then it seems that some of us have a different view on what classifies you as a professional. That just shows that they are not willing to take the time and effort to learn how to do something properly. We are working in an industry that has no room for error, so no I will not show anyone who cuts corners the same respect I would show to the real professionals. And I am not saying that your shop isnt a prfessional shop, but your post sure as hell didnt sound like anything a professional would write. But hey you tell your customers you learned how to do the shit online and see if they feel that was “professional”. Sure we would all like to have the extra business, but dont forget your customers deserve to get what they asked for, not something half assed. I am just sick of the people in this industry that pretend like they are professionals but think its ok to learn how to do shit on the internet, thats as bad as the people who just buy tattoo shit on ebay and think that makes them a tattoo artist. My suggestion to ANYONE who is wanting to learn how to do the dermals is to take the seminars, where you can ask any questions you may need. I dont think everyone out their is a hack or a customer, but at the same time I cant sit here and say that I think the internet is positive place to “Apperentice”. But these are all my opinions, and everyone is entitled to theirs as well.

Sean

Sean Crosson on July 13th, 2009 at 10:29 pm

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Where in VA are you?
Sean Philips on September 3rd, 2008 at 4:58 pm
kate. you are a scary, scary woman.
fireship on September 3rd, 2008 at 10:52 pm
From a customer’s standpoint, that is an absolutely horrifying letter. I would NEVER go to a piercer who learned to do normal piercings on line, much less something as major as microdermals. I mean, you’re putting metal implants under someone’s skin, for crying out loud. Doesn’t that seem like something you should learn/watch in person before trying it? Seriously, stuff like this ticks me off, even though I’m not a piercer. It’s irresponsible people like you that give the entire body mod community such a bad name.
Alter Reality on September 4th, 2008 at 11:15 pm
It could be possible that she’s bought them with the intention of using them to learn how to do it (and not necessarily on a customer, she may be practicing on herself.) Just sayin.
Sassie_L on September 22nd, 2008 at 12:17 am
Sassie: Still before a piercer buys jewelry, like Microdermals, they should at least observe or figure out how the procedure works theory wise before buying them.
Warren Hiller on October 3rd, 2008 at 7:18 pm
I guess it has to start somewhere, but internet learning is not a good way to start out with. LEarn from another piercers, go to a seminar, internet is a good way to LEARN MORE, NOT START TO LEARN
zodiac on November 3rd, 2008 at 11:49 am
I guess it has to start somewhere, but internet learning is not a good way to start out with. LEarn from another piercers, go to a seminar, internet is a good way to LEARN MORE, NOT START TO LEARN to do something as permanent like dermal anchor
zodiac on November 3rd, 2008 at 11:49 am
Hey, it’s better to ask than not ask. Kate probably has the gist of it and is just asking for any tips that make the procedure a little easier. Like whether to use a dermal punch or needle for example.
If she’s a professional piercer then she must know about surface piercings and tools, she’s not just any mad woman asking for internet tuition on anchors.
hattioats on January 5th, 2009 at 2:20 pm
hattioats: read what the original poster wrote, very carefully and closely. Look at the keywords. They know nothing about the procedure and want step by step to be shown how to do it. AskBME.com is NOT a place for that.
Warren Hiller on January 6th, 2009 at 12:55 pm
its really bad that you ordered jewlery you dont know how to insert. im not gonna say exactly how to it because i dont want anybody trying it themselves. but you do need a punch instead of a needle. and dont PUSH straight down when using the punch. that shit hurts
shawn on January 26th, 2009 at 5:57 pm
actually Shawn you don’t need a biopsy punch. That is just the most commonly pushed technique. Personally I prefer and had great results using a needle.
Warren Hiller on January 27th, 2009 at 9:25 pm
When I got my dermal anchors, the guy I went to used a needle and I got my last one done at a different establishment, and she used a punch, and it seems you get better results with a needle, they seem to be in there better (lol) so personally I reccomend using a needle. But you should NEVER do such an extreme modification as dermal anchors yourself. ever. Its sooo risky
Derek on February 5th, 2009 at 6:44 pm
I think everyone should jus give her a break.. Telling her she was dumb for buying the jewelry beforehand over and over and over, isn’t gonna solve anything. Why don’t you guys, instead of harping on her, point her in the right direction.
Anyways, buying the jewelry before knowing how to insert it, is like buying a gun before knowing how to shoot it. It does no harm having it, nor does it make you dumber for getting it. By already having the jewelry shows that she’s commited to learn how to do it. Example:
Last year I bought a stretching kit for my lobes that started at a half inch and went all the way to one inch. When I got it, I didn’t shove the inchers in immediately. I jus had them because I was committed to stretch to that size.
To me, buying the jewelry beforehand should be the first step. I give her kudos for being committed to learn such an awesome procedure.
zaquertisss on March 19th, 2009 at 10:43 pm
No she should not get a break, its people like that who destroy our industry. SHe is going to learn from the internet, or try to, then she is going to start doing them for dirt cheap. Of course the customers who know better will go to the right place, but the people who know nothing about the industry ( a huge percentage of clients ) see price as their deciding factor too much. So she is going to fuck up a lot of people, which makes it harder for real artists and piercers to do their jobs without all the extra bs to deal with. If it werent for the hacks like her in tattooing and piercing the industry would be very different, with better job security and less paperwork for events. Its because of retards like this that we have to file for permits to work conventions in other states, and be looked down on from local governments when we want to open a new shop. Maybe if we had a national liscence requirement with professional testing criteria we could weed out these hacks and get things working in the right direction. until then there will always be posts like this on websites everywhere. the thing that gets me is Va is one of the states that DO require a license for tattooing and piercing, how did this bitch get a license since she obviously doesnt have a professional bone in her body. No respectful professional wether it be a piercer or tattoo artist is going to learn shit off the internet. I myself am interested in the microdermals but common sense tells me that if you have not been trained on it, dont just jump in and do it. anyone that is defending her in this post to me would either have to be a non-professional (customers) or a hack themselves.
Sean Crosson on April 5th, 2009 at 2:33 pm
I agree totally with you that it should be a nationally licensed industry! perhaps if that were so it would be not only easier to locate well-trained artists, but also educational opportunities as well! Myself, I am looking for a good place to learn involved piercings and scarification from, but keep encountering tat shops whose artists “side-line” in navel piercings. This is beyond frustrating to me!
manda on April 9th, 2009 at 1:29 pm
Wow, a fellow piercer asked for help and she was thoroughly trashed by a few of you. Hack? Bitch? Come on Crosson, is that a professional response? I understand why Warren declined to give a step-by-step approach, as this BME forum isn’t the place for that. What you new kids have to realize is that those of us that teach the newbies didn’t have anybody but each other to rely on for advice and feedback for new techniques. We also didn’t have the internet as we know it now. Sixteen or seventeen years ago we shared techniques on BBSes or over the phone, or figured it out ourselves. Who was going to teach us? If it weren’t for those of us willing to jump in and figure it out you wouldn’t have a profession now. When another piercer asks for help, give it freely, because your knowledge, whether given to you in an aprenticeship or earned through the years can only help to further the best interests of the profession.
Lonn on April 12th, 2009 at 2:43 am
For the record, this is my first time ever posting, but I think it is overdue and needs to be said. I get a kick out of this. First off, me and my boyfriend own one of the ONLY professional and educated studios in upstate NY. We all know this industry is filled with unprofessional individuals, and hacks. Every one of those people hate reputable shops. Whether it be envy or jealously. Here is the deal. Me and my boyfriend have been in the industry for the last 8 years. (Not to say others posting here haven’t been in it longer) but to be honest years do not matter. It is about your desire to learn and perfect the trade, not how long you have been doing it. There are many individuals who have been tattooing or piercing for the last 20 years, but they do not love it, or desire to do it, it is a means of making money to them. Anyways, my point is, I had been piercing for years before finding out about microdermals. When I wanted to begin to do them NOBODY was doing them. In addition, I was not going to march myself to a locally competing shop and ask a bunch of idiots, who didn’t even know half of what I did, “how to do it.” No one taught me shit. There were no videos, no seminars, no nothing. There was however the internet. I read and researched and looked up as much information I could. Earlier jewelry options, current jewelry options, punch vs. needle, EVERYTHING I could find. I spent hours discussing it with my boyfrind. Arguing with him about what method is better and which way to insert it, which clamps to use blah blah. Here is my conclusion. If you want to teach yourself something new, FIRST you must use as much of your prior knowledge of Body modification as possible. SECOND you need to understand and determine, using your history and knowledge of the trade and also any research you have done, what you feel the best method for the procedure is. THIRD screw what everyone else says buy the damn jewelry so you can see it, feel it, take it apart and study it. You won’t learn shit looking at pictures of them online! FORTH conduct a “controlled procedure” keep track of everything you did, all the variables. (not going into detail) FIFTH make educated decisions based on your outcome. SIXTH change any variables that presented issues or could be improved or changed to better the outcome.

I researched dermals in various ways for over 2 years before attempting one. By no means am I encouraging just anyone to go online and then start practicing. What I am saying is, if you want to know about something, do not bother asking anyone. No one gives a shit, and they definitely are not going to give away precious information. If you want something bad enough, you will figure out everything you can about it. I would also like to state that anybody who is negative and mean to the individuals who ARE professional and are looking to better themselves in this trade, are not on major dickheads but are flat out arrogant. I do not condone handing out info, but I definitely don’t support people just being flat out MEAN! If you don’t want to give someone info keep your mouth shut! It is really very simple. Didn’t your parents ever teach you “If you don;t have anything nice to say, don’t say anything at all.” I hope this Industry begins to grow up at some point because all of you who think you are professionals, are definitely NOT acting like them. Remember, professionalism is is not just how well you pierce. It is a lot of things, including your attitude.

Sean Crosson-

I do agree with a selective few comments of yours, but, If you would like a copy of a business license, or photos of our establishment or even a portfolio of recent work you just let me know. Because I wouldn’t want you thinking everyone out there with a voice is a customer or hack. Thanks!
Alyce on May 31st, 2009 at 1:21 am
I do agree that we should share information with eachother. I have no problem helping another artist out or giving them tips. The point I was making is that the original poster was asking for someone to show them a website that gives you the proper way to do the anchors. ANYONE who feels that constitues this person as being a professional is seriously mistaken. Any real PROFESSIONAL in our industry should know exactly where to find the information on dermals, if not then it seems that some of us have a different view on what classifies you as a professional. That just shows that they are not willing to take the time and effort to learn how to do something properly. We are working in an industry that has no room for error, so no I will not show anyone who cuts corners the same respect I would show to the real professionals. And I am not saying that your shop isnt a prfessional shop, but your post sure as hell didnt sound like anything a professional would write. But hey you tell your customers you learned how to do the shit online and see if they feel that was “professional”. Sure we would all like to have the extra business, but dont forget your customers deserve to get what they asked for, not something half assed. I am just sick of the people in this industry that pretend like they are professionals but think its ok to learn how to do shit on the internet, thats as bad as the people who just buy tattoo shit on ebay and think that makes them a tattoo artist. My suggestion to ANYONE who is wanting to learn how to do the dermals is to take the seminars, where you can ask any questions you may need. I dont think everyone out their is a hack or a customer, but at the same time I cant sit here and say that I think the internet is positive place to “Apperentice”. But these are all my opinions, and everyone is entitled to theirs as well.

Sean
Sean Crosson on July 13th, 2009 at 10:29 pm

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